If you insist, Leclerc-san. Sorry for the trouble - and thanks for the help.
[but he will offer his hand out - the other one looks like he managed to get most of them out on his own but... this one's a bit angry, given that it's the one he used to throw a punch. the needles look like some have broken and some have gotten embedded worse. ow.]
[with just a little bit of a snort, self-deprecating but at least self-aware]
If someone pisses me off, I can't really watch myself.
[which. you know. he's actually pretty hard to push that far? he takes a lot of abuse on a regular basis! it's just when it comes to things like murder.... yeah. he has a limit.]
[ he is pretty self-aware of all that, at least. ]
Knowing is one thing, not acting on it is another. [ half of the way there. ] But a situation like that is a bit of a unique one, so I imagine holding back would be tough.
I think everyone here... has different circumstances. I've done things to hurt people too, even if I'll say that it was for my job. It doesn't change what I've done.
But his memory was... especially questionable, I'd say. And he didn't want to take responsibility for it... So I think that's what pissed me off even more.
If you kill someone you take responsibility for that life, and you take the weight of ending it onto your shoulders, because you’ve chosen to carry that weight.
[ ... ]
It didn’t seem like he felt that way, from how he talked at the trial.
... I just hate people who think that they want to be saviors. Who -
[ . . . his expression gets cloudier]
... Who say they want to help people, but then they don't realize what they've done to harm them too. I don't know if I can... hate him, but it pisses me off that he's so fucked up about it.
People who go out to become a saviour don't tend to have the best of intentions in mind. How can they? They're thinking of becoming a saviour themselves. That's not how it works.
About people who just want to help others, Leclerc-san? Maybe... saving people is pretty arrogant. But what if you just want to protect them anyway?
[it's such a weird fuzzy line - and clearly mineo is just trying to see what others might think about it]
I'm not asking you for answers or anything... [since they talked about it before] I just... wonder what other people think about it, I guess. While I'm trying to figure it out for myself too.
I'm sure there's sayings about it. No matter how good someone's intentions are, they might not be done for the purest of reasons.
[ ... ]
The line between saving and protecting is thin. And I don't think one is better than the other, it's just the meaning you attach to it -- protecting someone because they owe you something, or they can provide something in the future isn't any better than saving someone for a purpose.
... That they're dangerous and probably should be allowed around drills?
[ it's. it's a valid point. ]
Someone helping wants to help. Some who sees themselves as a saviour believes they are helping in the only way possible. One of these things is more dangerous than the other by far.
And if they can't be snapped out of that mindset, then they become an active danger. [ ... like fukuda. ]
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yuri's just going to walk over and hold out a hand. ]
Here. I have two hands I can use, and no cactus needles stuck in me.
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well mineo's just going to snort]
If you insist, Leclerc-san. Sorry for the trouble - and thanks for the help.
[but he will offer his hand out - the other one looks like he managed to get most of them out on his own but... this one's a bit angry, given that it's the one he used to throw a punch. the needles look like some have broken and some have gotten embedded worse. ow.]
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[ hm. he'll just start working out the less uh.... batted and embedded ones because he might need some extra help with those. ]
As important as throwing a punch might be, maybe just go for an open handed slap when you've got a hand full of cactus needles next time.
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.... yeah.... I wasn't really thinking...
[CLEARLY]
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[ he'll go get them in a moment. ]
Not that I don't disagree with wanting to smack someone, knowing when to is also important.
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... I can't say I've ever been good at that.
[with just a little bit of a snort, self-deprecating but at least self-aware]
If someone pisses me off, I can't really watch myself.
[which. you know. he's actually pretty hard to push that far? he takes a lot of abuse on a regular basis! it's just when it comes to things like murder.... yeah. he has a limit.]
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[ he is pretty self-aware of all that, at least. ]
Knowing is one thing, not acting on it is another. [ half of the way there. ] But a situation like that is a bit of a unique one, so I imagine holding back would be tough.
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.... I just saw a memory of Fukuda-san's earlier this week - and he told me to keep quiet about it. I wouldn't say that I really did that...
But once he started saying some bullshit, I couldn't really hold back anymore.
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[ it's not always something you're happy to have out there in the open. ]
If you have a vision of someone doing some questionable, it's probably tougher to keep quiet about it, huh?
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.... it depends.
[if he's honest]
I think everyone here... has different circumstances. I've done things to hurt people too, even if I'll say that it was for my job. It doesn't change what I've done.
But his memory was... especially questionable, I'd say. And he didn't want to take responsibility for it... So I think that's what pissed me off even more.
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[ ... ]
It didn’t seem like he felt that way, from how he talked at the trial.
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... I just hate people who think that they want to be saviors. Who -
[ . . . his expression gets cloudier]
... Who say they want to help people, but then they don't realize what they've done to harm them too. I don't know if I can... hate him, but it pisses me off that he's so fucked up about it.
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That sounds pretty personal to you.
[ ... ]
People who go out to become a saviour don't tend to have the best of intentions in mind. How can they? They're thinking of becoming a saviour themselves. That's not how it works.
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What do you think then -
About people who just want to help others, Leclerc-san? Maybe... saving people is pretty arrogant. But what if you just want to protect them anyway?
[it's such a weird fuzzy line - and clearly mineo is just trying to see what others might think about it]
I'm not asking you for answers or anything... [since they talked about it before] I just... wonder what other people think about it, I guess. While I'm trying to figure it out for myself too.
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[ ... ]
The line between saving and protecting is thin. And I don't think one is better than the other, it's just the meaning you attach to it -- protecting someone because they owe you something, or they can provide something in the future isn't any better than saving someone for a purpose.
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That's probably true. It's just whatever meaning you can live with, right? And even if other people will judge your actions differently....
Some people can only do their best. [a beat] I wonder what that means for people like Fukuda-san.
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[ it's. it's a valid point. ]
Someone helping wants to help. Some who sees themselves as a saviour believes they are helping in the only way possible. One of these things is more dangerous than the other by far.
And if they can't be snapped out of that mindset, then they become an active danger. [ ... like fukuda. ]